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History, Dialogue, and Renewed Understanding

History as Our Foundation for Change

A Lifelong Dialogue Across Difference

Shared Purpose, Decades of Experience

Our story began long before we sat down for coffee in Minnesota. The truth is, we were born into conversations about race just by entering America in our respective families - one Black, one White. Ms. Bob-e has spent over six decades shaping conversations as a journalist, educator, activist, civil rights worker, writer, and speaker. Her journey led her deep into the heart of communities confronting trauma, fighting for civil rights, and sharing African American folk wisdom with the next generation. Sue's path unfolded in classrooms and university halls, on research teams and public stages. She transformed ideas into action as a university president and published author, always circling back to the core belief that telling the full story matters. Our friendship was forged through honest questions and even more honest listening. By blending academic research with lived experience, we hope to offer a mirror for each visitor: a chance to see themselves in the history, challenges, and hope for change. Our partnership exists to create conversations that last. Through each chapter, every workshop, and all our work together, we invite people of every age and background to step into history - not as bystanders, but as learners and future storytellers.

Bridging Difference, Building Trust Together

What drives us forward is not just the reality of our differences, but the promise of what we can do together. We believe that the best stories - the ones that spark conversation and lead to change - are the ones shared between those willing to sit in their discomfort and keep talking. As a Black woman and a White woman, our friendship models the same kind of risk, vulnerability, and learning we ask of our audience. Our goal is to offer resources that break down barriers to understanding, making complex history accessible to everyone from children discovering their roots to leaders rethinking workplace inclusion. By making history tangible and relevant, we hope to help others reckon with the past, make honest sense of the present, and carve a path for all who come after us. Every resource we create is rooted in the belief that sharing and seeking knowledge - especially about race - requires courage, trust, and hope. We want every visitor to feel invited in, seen, and equipped to keep the conversation going long after they leave our website. That is the heart of why we began this work and why we continue.

Meet Our Team

Ms. Bob-e

Bob-e Simpson Epps is a nationally recognized senior executive, change agent, and strategist whose career has been dedicated to advancing racial equity, healing historical trauma, and strengthening communities. She is the coauthor of To Understand Race in America: Start Here, a groundbreaking guide for readers seeking clarity, courage, and practical insight into the forces that shape racial dynamics in the United States. She is also the author of Things My Daddy’ and ‘Nim Taught Me…: 30 Sayins’ That Shaped a Culture, a celebrated collection of African American folk wisdom. 

Epps is the founder and CEO of BASE Consulting, where she leads work in trauma-informed practice, Diversity/Equity/Inclusion/Accessibility, purpose coaching, and relationship leadership. She also serves as Chief People & Culture Officer at People Serving People, bringing her expertise in organizational transformation to one of the nation’s leading family-support organizations. A respected expert in childhood trauma and historical trauma, Epps has worked extensively with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, state and local governments, and nonprofits across the country. Her work supports resilience, healing, and systems change in African American and Indigenous American communities. Across all her roles, Bob-e Simpson Epps is known for her clarity, compassion, and unwavering belief in the power of truth-telling to transform lives and institutions. 

Sue Hammersmith

Sue Kiefer Hammersmith is a published author, activist, and former university president known for her leadership in higher education and her lifelong commitment to social justice. She is coauthor of a groundbreaking Kinsey Institute study, Sexual Preference: Its Development in Men and Women, a widely used textbook, The Solution of Social Problems: Five Perspectives (2nd ed.), and a comprehensive antiracism education curriculum. Her academic career spanned faculty and administrative roles, culminating in her presidency of Metropolitan State University in Minnesota. A vocal advocate for gay rights, multiculturalism, and racial equity, she has been featured on the Oprah Winfrey Show, Good Morning America!, The Today Show, and numerous media platforms. She continues to work in antiracism education and community development. When not writing or teaching, she enjoys traveling, the outdoors, the arts, and time with her husband, five children, and grandchildren.

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